Origin stories

[isi]

Because I felt like posting something, and this is something I've thought about before as an interesting discussion topic: What are your origin story theories as to how the non human Mindcrackers came to be? How did Zisteau go from being a normal zombie pigman to being what we see today, or was he ever a "normal" zombie pigman? How did Millbee learn to walk on two legs, or talk? Is Doc a cyborg morphing into a creeper, or a creeper morphing into a cyborg? What perverse genetic experiment caused that to happen? What's the deal with Blame the Controller, or Adlington?

I think Zisteau's probably the most fun to think about, because he tends to play up the pigman angle already. My own incomplete theory is that he always had more man in him than the average pigman for whatever reason, which probably made him a bit of an outcast among the pigmen, so he identified more with the humans in the overworld and eventually joined them. Now he uses the pigman thing mostly as an image to make him seem more intimidating, even though by now he's developed all the same vulnerabilities as any man, like being burned by lava without a fire resist potion, which isn't something other pigmen have to deal with.

Though I think my favorite theory I've seen, which I read in a reddit comment ages ago, was that Zisteau is actually a creation made by Vechs designed to test his maps, but was deemed too dangerous to release on the rest of the world, but naturally he escaped anyway.

I want to hear your theories!

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I pretty much agree with you about Zisteau.

As for Doc, I believe his story is similar to that of Frankenstein's monster, but happier. An unloved and abandoned creature, created through means of scientific experimentation, one whose body was fashioned of various parts (in his case, iron ingots and the corpse of a slain creeper), left to wander by himself in the lone world of Minecraftia. But! Lo and behold, he stumbles upon a community of players. He watches them for quite some time, learning their language and their behaviors, and begins to exhibit those traits. After a while, he makes his presence known and, unlike the original story, is accepted and loved by many.

My theory for Millbee (which may have been inspired by all of those Megaman streams he did before joining Mindcrack) is that he was, like Doc, created as a result of one scientist's experimentation. Much like the story of Protoman, a robotics genius longed to create a humanoid robot. However, after one too many Super Tanks, this robotics genius had the bright idea that an ovine robot would be a much better investment than a his previous idea. But he'd gotten himself too deep into the project; he couldn't simply scrap everything he'd already worked on. So, as a result, he created the world's first ovine/humanoid robot. Soon after, this sheepman robot escaped into the world.

[isi]

So Millbee's part robot? Did not expect that one. :P Though I have to wonder who all these Dr. Frankenstein like scientists are who keep creating these sentient cyborg creatures to eventually wander the land.

[(Anonymous)]

I personally view the Mindcrack world (in fiction) as a connecting point. You have the humans who come from human-like worlds and settle in Mindcrack permanently, leaving their old lives behind. You have Millbee who travelled to Mindcrack from a world of sheep just like him, and Zistaeu came from a place with intelligent, lava-tossing pigmen. The Mindcrack world is a place where everyone settles down and starts new lives for themselves filled with new promises and opportunities.

[theropod]

I like the hub world idea, pretty neat and it makes sense :D

[isi]

I think it makes a lot of sense to the point where it resolves how you have people whose characters lean heavily on their real world nationalities like Anderz, mixed in with fantastical nonhuman characters who could never exist in the real world. On the other hand, I think it removes the specialness associated with some of them, knowing that somewhere out there, there's an entire world of sentient bipedal sheep people and Millbee's not really unique in that regard.

[theropod]

True enough, and I do like the bipedal rainbow sheep too much for him not to be uber special.

I call magic spell? He's a cursed prince really, and he needs, um...something that isn't true love's first kiss to break it.

Okay maybe not magic then...

[isi]

But then... what's his true form?

[theropod]

...A rainbow sheep? Or a person? Hm.

Gosh Millbee, why you so darn hard?

[kappa77]

This could be his true form: still sheep-ish but very much human
http://mindcrackfanart.deviantart.com/gallery/38479656#/d5jvosf

[theropod]

That one is pretty cool, but there was another one I saw before, can't remember where, and he looked incredible.

[(Anonymous)]

Might sound weird, but I thought up a story where Nebris was a mob boss trapped in a human form. Like he is actually the Ender Dragon but he became too powerful and someone cursed him so he could not use his full form/full power. But he still has his evil personality hence the cheaty-ness. Also it's pretty dark in the end so it might explain his love of glowstone these days.

Yep. My mind is weird and wonderful, ladies and gentleman.

[(Anonymous)]

I like it! I'm a sucker for those kinds of plots, they're just so much fun.

[theropod]

I like the idea that Zisteau comes from a zombie pigman tribe, maybe had a loving family that were a little exhasperated with all his plotting and planning megabuilds in the nether from blocks that simply didn't exist down there and his nonsense daydreams of seeing the sun. He spends far too much time hanging around those new fangled portals in hopes of seeing a human build something and perhaps looking to 'borrow' a few scrap materials to try and build something on his own.

One day he accidentally falls through the portal, perhaps due to a ghast ball getting sent his way and the explosion knocks him through. Once he picks himself up and realises that bright warmth is the sun and not lava, that he's feeling grass under his hooves not nether rack, that he feels wind instead of static air...He never goes back. His time hanging around portals and humans playing a dumb pigman let him learn English so he's got enough vocal skills to get in good with a village and its there he learns how to truly converse and how to craft the materials he's always dreamed of using, how to mine and such. His adoptive village point him in the direction of a group intrepid explorers and adventurers, knowing he will enjoy their company more than the calm village life and that is how he meets the others :D

Thought of that on the spot but I sorta like it.

[isi]

I sorta like it too. :D

[theropod]

:D Yay

[isi]

So I've started thinking more about Doc, and since his character is already something of a scientist, I'm inclined to believe he started as human and his current form is something he did to himself. Maybe he was experimenting with creepers or cybernetics and he got hurt when something went horribly wrong, and the only way to save himself was to fuse with his research.

I keep thinking this would be a great fic, but I would have no idea how I'd go about it, and we all know I have more Guude and Beef to work on anyway.

[theropod]

Nice idea though :D

[(Anonymous)]

Looking for plot bunnies, are we? ;)

Zisteau is definitely one of the more interesting to think about, probably in part because he is secretive about his real life. He very much plays up his character. I do like the idea of a hub world in some aspects, but someone like Zisteau definitely seems like a native of the hub world.

Doc I definitely think comes off as more evil scientist. If anyone's an experiment gone wrong it's probably Adlington.

Millbee... I have no idea. Maybe he used to be an human who had a little "accident" respawning? Could be the same thing for BTC. Maybe that's what happens when you respawn inside a sheep or a skeleton.

[isi]

Not looking, per se. Not like I don't have enough hanging around already. :P But things to store away for later use, perhaps.

That's a good observation about Zisteau, about not having much to go on outside of his constructed character persona. It made me think about Kurt, who occasionally plays off the Time Lord thing, but his character is mostly based around his real life personality and not so much his Doctor Who skin. Kinda the opposite of what we're seeing with Zisteau.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought about that too. Funny though, Kurt has the most unique background for a human character thanks to FLoB. He's a famous world traveler, on an endless quest to find the edge of the world. Pretty interesting stuff to explore for a normal.

[theropod]

I like the explorer aspect of Kurt. I kind of have it in my head that he keeps this field journal on him and he records what he sees as he travels, so there all sorts of interesting things in there from just simple sketches of mobs and Wolfie to star charts and who knows what else.

[mindcrack_love]

I think Doc's has the opportunity to be the most interesting because Creepers are probably the most interesting and unique mob in Minecraft, as well as the most dangerous. Yet Doc is actually one of the sweetest people, and one of the most invested in human-like creations.

Perhaps he once was a normal Creeper, a member of the Creeper Army like the rest, but after observing the others - and what all those human creations truly do - decided to rebel? The others think he just sacrificed himself to the cause, like many before him, but really he's running away, and the cybernetics are there to "defuse" his natural impulse.

I can't help but think of the times Doc fights a Creeper in the wild and his commentary gets all "hey brother, calm down here", like he can talk reason to them - as well as his own occasional rage-y impulses.

Also, General Spaz and the Creeper Army, who originally showed up to tell Etho to leave their world alone.

EDIT: also, if we're going with the "hub world" thing, BTC actually came from the world of his maps, as his skin is the evil boss-type enemy from Kingdom of the Sky, isn't it? Is there something about going through the hub that made him turn good?

[(Anonymous)]

Maybe it works the other way around? You can only go through the hub if you're already good. That way nothing truly evil can come through of it's own free will. It has to be summoned, like the Wither.

[isi]

Ooh, I like this. I especially like the potential connections to Etho and Spaz, since Doc and Etho were friends long before they were on Mindcrack.

Gosh darn it, now I have to officially add some kind of Doc origin story to my "eventually get to" list of things I want to write.

[nekofan]

Huh... this is an interesting topic to discuss as everyone is bound to have different ideas.

I'm loving that theory of Zisteau being made by Vechs, though I previously just had the idea that he stumbled upon a portal and a human one day, followed him through the portal and he loved it so much he vowed to live there. The human he followed found him and was going to kill him, but Z managed to convince him that he wasn't gonna hurt the human. The human took him in, taught him the way of the human culture etc etc... :3

As for Millbee, I've just thought of the idea that maybe he was so obsessed with sheep that he wanted to be one to so he went to a mad scientist (possibly Doc who became who he is through experiments that no one would volunteer for so he did them upon himself) to ask to be fused with a sheep, but keep his brain which had the side-effect of him being able to walk on two legs.

I have no idea for BTC or Ads... Maybe Ads just came through from the Despicable Me universe and was brought in by someone and taught, like my Zisteau idea. BTC is a difficult one, but I do like someone's idea from a previous comment here that he is a boss that came through or maybe he's like a watchover for the maps he creates (always there, but never appearing to the player, originally was human though) and he was found by someone one day. That someone almost killed him, forcing BTC to flee. He managed to use his crazy guardian-like powers to keep himself alive, but his body was horribly mutilated. He felt it necessary to create such a creepy costume for himself due to the creepiness of his skull face (yeah... he lost his face in the fight...).

As for how they reached Mindcrack, Ads and Zisteau could have been taken in by the Mindcrackers (or a Mindcracker) and introduced to their society that way. Millbee could only find refuge there as everyone from his original place were rejecting him. As he was changed by Doc, he was the one to show him the community that would accept him. BTC may have been seen by a Mindcracker that was completing one of his maps and they eventually found a way to him. Somehow BTC and that Mindcracker became friends and they showed him to the community that accepted him (like Millbee).

I dunno, I'm making the majority of this up on the spot. It's so much fun to think of this though! :D I've never really thought about this idea before, but it's really interesting to see everyone's ideas! So many brain explosions at once to come up with these!! <3

[crystalllized]

I love your theory about Zisteau! My original theory was that Zisteau is a human - some kind of scientist or researcher, or maybe he just did it on a drunk dare - who went to live with the zombie pigmen, and as he was not hostile to them, they were not hostile to him, and over time he learned their ways and became enough like them that he speaks their language and thinks like them, so to speak.

I try not to think about Millbee, but he's usually a human as well. In fact, all of the Mindcrackers, even the ones with non-human skins, I think of as humans somehow, because I have an ick for cross-species stuff.